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Episode 398
April 11, 2025

The Next Wave of Marketers: Curious, Collaborative, Chaos-Embracing

Live from Optimove Connect, Brian sits down with Optimove CEO Pini Yakuel and Nick Badminton, Chief Futurist at Futurist.com to unpack the philosophical and practical implications of 'positionless marketing'—a radical rethink of organizational roles in the AI era.

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Live from Optimove Connect, Brian sits down with Optimove CEO Pini Yakuel and Nick Badminton, Chief Futurist at Futurist.com to unpack the philosophical and practical implications of 'positionless marketing'—a radical rethink of organizational roles in the AI era.

Mind Over Mechanism

Key takeaways:

  • Positionless is Power: The most innovative organizations won't be flatter—they'll be fluid. Roles dissolve; talent flows where it’s needed.
  • AI Is the New Intern: It drafts, it preps, it gets you started—but the genius still has to come from you.
  • Old Process ≠ New Potential: Layering AI on legacy workflows just speeds up your inefficiency.
  • Control is a Creativity Killer: Let go of silos, turf wars, and micromanagement. The next gen of leaders will trust, not gatekeep.
  • The Kids Are Alright—and in Charge: Within 10 years, new mindsets will lead. Curious, collaborative, and chaos-embracing.
  • [00:04:48]: “Startups get stuff done because you're positionless. One day you're marketing, next day you're writing code. That’s how you beat the big guys—speed and fluidity.” – Pini Yakuel
  • [00:08:03]: “We create the tools, and the tools create us.” – Nick Badminton
  • [00:14:44]: “New tech + old process = expensive old process.” – Nick Badminton
  • [00:11:50]: “Friction is what makes life life.” – Brian Lange

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